April and Emily discuss what is cyber safety, their personal tips, news, and some myths. Emily gets her math on debunking random character vs passphrase passwords and April talks about how the pandemic impacted cyber safety.
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I'm Emily a
Quantum computing consultant.
And I'm April
A software engineer. We're best friends passionate about tech and how it impacts the world today.
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Hey everyone, welcome to season 2 of tech 'n savvy.
Today we're discussing cyber safety and giving you tips to stay safe online.
Welcome back, Emily.
Yeah, it's good to be back, isn't it?
Yeah, we have a lot of exciting things planned for season 2 of tech 'n savvy and we've made a couple of changes during our little hiatus that we took.
Yes, I'd say the main one is for
Right now we're just going to be doing audio.
We're going to try that out because, you know, we don't like looking at ourselves.
And the video editing.
And it's easy.
Is so stressful, it's very stressful for me so.
So we're going to keep it simple.
And we're also going to try to release biweekly, so have more of a standard release.
Instead of we were doing monthly, right, April?
Yeah, it was monthly.
Sometimes it was every six weeks.
Uhm, but yes, we're definitely trying to be more consistent this season, which will be helped by the fact we're not doing, you know, video, so just editing audio is much less stressful because people don't have to.
Look at you.
And I guess the last change is we want to have more episodes like this that are just the two of us without a guest so that we can, you know, talk about topics just between us that we're familiar with and also hopefully you can get to know us better.
Possibly. So April,
What has been
Up with you in the last month or so since we recorded?
So yeah, I mean last time we posted was early in June and around that time I started a new job as a technical consultant.
So I've been spending a lot of time, you know, kind of learning the ropes at my new job.
Also got the chance to go on vacation, so that was
great. Getting some..
Swim with some sharks.
And yes, I swam with sharks, not in a cage like actually in water with the sharks it was traumatizing but also really fun.
I would not recommend it if you like get panicked very easily 'cause they were very close but it was fun.
So once in a lifetime opportunity meaning literally once, I will never do it again.
It was, it was crazy, but it was fun.
It was glad you survived me too.
Me too. And then yeah, so vacation and then, beyond that, uh, right now I'm just working on getting my associate cloud engineer certification for
Google cloud platform.
Uh, that's my big goal for
the end of the year.
What about you, Emily?
What have you been up to?
Well, nothing as exciting as you.
The last few months have definitely been different for me.
I've spent a lot of time focusing on my health, which is something that I don't put first usually, but is very important and I also.
As you know April, have carpal tunnel.
I developed carpal tunnel in both hands.
And it's because it's mostly because of coding typing and I was doing everything in the worst way possible, like not even just, not ergonomically correct, but really, just like sitting in these weird positions as I'm coding or typing.
And yeah it got so bad I I couldn't use either of my hands for anything.
It was pretty painful and I've been going to physical therapy, so that's kind of my exciting.
It's very exciting news and I have a much better set up, so I'm hoping this doesn't happen again, but.
Yeah, that's I guess a warning for anyone who's.
A coder and not in a good set up.
Definitely get yourself a nice set up.
Other than that, I've I've been trying to make new friends too.
We're both in Chicago and obviously we have each other, but.
So that's it.
It's not enough like you
Can hear the "but" it's there.
It's definitely well if you lived in the city instead of the suburbs, and I could just have you come over in 5 minutes, you know.
You can see.
Uh, work wise I I did get to present at Business School last week.
That was very exciting.
I talked about some quantum machine learning algorithms that I've implemented and it was very exciting.
That was my first Business School talk.
Hopefully not my last.
So yeah, that's about.
Sums it up.
Yeah, that sounds like we've both had a very interesting summer so far, but we're definitely ready to get back to tech 'n savvy and, you know, keep learning together about different areas within tech and you know that kind of brings us into today's topic.
Which is cyber safety.
So Emily, when you hear the word cyber safety, what's like the first thing that comes into your mind?
Yes, so when I hear the term cyber safety, I think of personal cybersecurity as opposed to like enterprise security.
And I would say my first
encounter that I could remember is actually my dad.
Uhm, talking about viruses, I don't know how old I was.
Maybe in elementary school.
and he had just,
He just described like what a virus was and how he had a windows computer.
Of course it was very susceptible to viruses and I think I would use the computer for random things and that was always a
He was always like getting upset with me, if I wasn't doing things correctly because you know.
I didn't really take it seriously, but he kind of emphasized the importance of antivirus things like that, so I think that was my first encounter.
But I have to say I really didn't take it seriously,
overall like cyber safety, I didn't think about it that much until I got my first job.
This was out of college.
I was a cryptography engineer and that's actually where April and I met so.
TBT that job. It was a great job and I learned so much but just being immersed in the cyber security world.
Suddenly I realized all these things I was doing wrong and some of the tips that we'll talk about are things that I was not doing.
Some things like reusing passwords, and I don't even know just things that I should have been doing and I was not so.
I can't really, I I know once I came home like the winter after starting that job, I was telling all my friends like Oh my God, you need to use two factor.
You need to use a password manager like.
I was suddenly and I was explaining all these like random attacks that could happen.
I was so excited about it but I think I was like.
Overwhelming to my friends of how like interested I was, but.
Well, obviously you learned a lot during that time.
What would you say are some of your top tips for people to stay safe online?
Yes, so my first tip that I tell everyone this is something I always emphasize is to have a good backup strategy.
So if you get hit with ransomware, which basically what ransomware is, it's type of malware.
So it goes on your computer, it encrypts
all of your files, and then the hacker has the decryption key, and they're basically holding your data for ransom.
And they might charge thousands of dollars to get your data back.
And even if you pay, they might not give it back.
There's not necessarily, well
There's no guarantee, right?
It's a hacker.
Uhm, so when that happens, there's a whole Reddit of people asking like what can I do and
really, the main thing you can do is restore from backup.
And the problem is, if you don't have a backup, then there's really not much you can do.
You can't break that encryption, they're usually using AES or advanced Encryption standard, which is
unbreakable to everyone and
So the best thing to do is have
Three different I think
3 different versions of everything.
I like to have
One backup that I backup recently and then another backup that I have that I backup maybe every six months and I keep them in different physical locations as well.
The importance is just having a strategy.
The second one I'll say is to check websites.
So you want to make sure that the URL has HTTPS, not HTTP, and for I think most browsers they'll put a little lock in the corner to show you your connection is secure.
Here you can click on the lock and then go to the certificate and it'll show the certificate is valid and you can dig through and look at all
These details actually of the cryptography that's securing
Your communication with this website and this is incredibly important because otherwise your data that's being passed back and forth is not encrypted, so
Someone could eavesdrop on that information.
Also you might not be going to the website that you think you are, there's just there's a lot of risk.
So definitely using HTTPS where the S stands for secure, not HTTP.
And the last one, I'll say the one that I have talked about talked to all my friends about was the two factor authentication.
Two factor authentication is where you have,
You need two different things to log into an account.
So for instance you put your password in and then you also put a code from your phone.
And that code can be texted to you.
It could be a code that was emailed to you.
I think the best way to do it is to use an authenticator app.
There's a lot of authenticator apps, and they're more secure than having it texted to you, so it just shows the code on the app, and, uh.
A lot of two factor authentication,
websites that use two factor authentication, will give you that as an option too.
If your username and password gets leaked, which happens a lot, a hacker will try to get into your different accounts.
But if you're using two factor authentication, then likely they cannot do this.
There are certain ways to bypass it, but for the most part it only adds security.
Two factor authentication can definitely be annoying to use, and so I try to think about is this a account that I would be really upset or even devastated if it got,
If somebody got into it, so maybe it has financial data.
Or maybe it's your LinkedIn or your Instagram and you don't want people to have access to that or your Facebook.
Maybe you have a lot of Facebook messages that you do not want anyone to be able to get into and see.
For things that are that essential, I would say use two factor authentication.
Those are my three top tips. April,
What are your tips?
Yeah, and then just before we go into mine, I do want to say definitely look into HTTP versus HTTPS.
You know, like I've gotten to the point that if I go on like a shop site, or even just any general business website and they don't have like have the lock to show that you know like it's secure.
Or there's like that message that says the site isn't secure like I immediately like get off and.
You know, like just try to find some other website or something because yeah, like you're, you're not.
You don't even have an updated certificate, but you want me to send you money?
No, definitely not.
And I guess for for my 3 tips the first one, which is one of my favorite ones to tell people all the time, is to use a password manager because it's not really secure to use the same username and password for every website.
However, it's also very inconvenient
to have to create a new password for every single website and this is where password managers really come in handy, because number one you can store your credentials securely in them, so you'll you know you always have your password manager, so you know you'll never forget your password and then also,
If you're having trouble like coming up with passwords, some password managers will generate a password for you, so I find password managers to be a really nice way of keeping track of your special credentials.
I would say they're relatively easy to use and a lot of them are free or very low cost.
For my second one, kind of off, the Internet is to sign up for identity theft protection.
If your credit card offers it.
I know my credit card company, they offer identity theft protection for free with my account.
So not saying it's foolproof, but
It is a relatively easy and free way for you to, you know, be constantly checking to make sure your personal information isn't online, which if your personal information is online, like your Social Security number, that.
Could really impact you, so just signing up for something simple like that can really keep you in the know.
And my third tip is to use a VPN to protect your personal data while you're surfing the Internet.
VPN stands for Virtual Private Network and the way a VPN works is that it creates a secure private connection on top of your Internet connection and masks your IP address so that your online activities your browsing.
All of that is virtually untraceable.
Now one one of the popular ways people know about using VPN's is that you know if you're using Netflix US and you switch to a different VPN location, you can get the Netflix in a different country so.
You've never done that right?
That's one way..
Obviously not Emily, what do you think?
Who do you think I am?
But it's not just good for you know, being able to catch all your shows in all the area codes.
It's also good for protecting your personal data while you're while you're surfing the Internet.
You know these websites track everything from your location to your cookies.
And a VPN is a good way of like protecting your footprint.
So all these companies don't have access to you and are able to track you and what other websites you're going to.
So if you're really trying to protect your browser history, I would say using a VPN is a good option.
Those are great tips.
I I totally agree.
I use VPN password manager, I didn't know about the identity theft protection
that credit card companies offer.
I'll have to look into that.
Definitely something to look into because it's nice that when I get that a notification every month, like your Social Security number didn't show up on any
You know black listed websites. Or you know they even tell you,
Tell me like if I opened up a new account under my name, they'll tell you like 0.
New accounts opened under your Social Security number this month.
And did you have to specifically enroll in it?
Uh, yeah, it was like it was just like the, you know.
It's basically one of those things you tap in it and then you just click the button to enroll and then you're enrolled in it.
But yeah, it's not something, UM, automatic.
Yeah, that's that's very interesting.
I'll have to look into.
The credit card and I know that password managers also can offer a lot of other services like dark web monitoring.
Well, I don't know, but I was just looking at my password manager a minute ago so.
Yeah, thanks for those tips, April.
Now let's transition into talking about cyber safety in the news.
So where have you seen cyber safety in the news recently?
So there are actually two instances recently that I saw some articles online that I thought were really interesting.
And the first one was that Instagram was launching and has launched a security checkup to help users recover their hacked accounts, which is very prevalent across Instagram.
And then also Facebook users are always their accounts are always getting, you know.
Hacked and it's important to be able to get control back if someone hacks your account.
And so Instagram has implemented a new security feature called Security Checkup where it will help users keep track of
Who signed into their account recently so they can see was that them?
Where was the account signed into?
And they're also really starting to push for their users to enable two factor authentication, which is one of the tips that Emily had mentioned earlier.
Because you know that extra layer of security will really protect you against those hackers who only have your username and password, and it will also help you
Recover your account.
That's great, and that's good that they're pushing for two factor.
I think that it.
It really makes a lot of sense, especially because you know, in this day and age, so many people livelihoods are attached to their social media accounts.
Like you know, their work and their opportunities they get for work is tide directly to their social media like Instagram.
So being able to have access to accounts like that at all times is something that's really important.
You know your Instagram?
You know Facebook, Instagram, they collect so much data on you and you don't want to lose that to someone who you know just guessed your username and password and now they have access to your whole life, really.
That'll also help too.
There's a lot of young users on these social media.
Sites and they don't always.
I mean, everyone of all ages doesn't necessarily know all of these security best practices, but I would say especially young users just aren't thinking of that and speaking as someone who was not thinking about things like that, that's really great that they're implementing it.
Yeah, and like you said, young kids, I remember my passwords when I was like in elementary school. I love elephants 123.
Or it's actually not even that bad.
I think the most common passwords are things like I love you like that's a really one of the top 10.
Yeah, or people you know they or like even elephants is better than that.
Elephants is better or people who put like.
It's not good though.
You know they put like the current year and then like their grandchild name, Michael 2019.
Ah, it is true.
OK Emily, it's cute.
But it's also like.
It's cute, but it's not secure exactly.
Yeah, we'll talk about secure passwords in a little bit very, very soon.
That was just the one of the first instances and then the other instance I saw of you know, cyber safety in the news is that recently 1,000,000 stolen credit cards were leaked onto the dark web so.
These were credit cards that were stolen between 2018 and 2019 and they were released.
Uh, earlier this year and it was just they were up for sale and that's just one of those things, uhm, kind of tying back to the advice I gave earlier, which was to, you know, sign up for your credit card companies.
Identity Theft protection program because you know?
Those programs are free and they'll be able to detect better than you if someone got ahold of your personal information and is opening more credit card accounts in your name.
That's crazy that's so many.
Stolen credit cards, and that's also good.
A lot of companies you know they'll if you're going out of town or something.
They do it by location, so you can say if you're going out of town or not and that way.
They know where your credit card is being used, so they can kind of track that and determine if it's fraudulent or not.
But that is that is crazy.
Yeah, and even like you said like they're, you know, being able to tell them whether you're you know out of town and them using machine learning to determine whether or not it's you know, unusual activity.
Because recently when I went on vacation, I was going.
I went to put in like I'm going on vacation.
To my credit card company and they were like you don't need to do that anymore.
We use our algorithms to, you know, determine whether or not you know it's like a purchase.
I would make basically.
It's like OK, she's not in her usual spot.
This is new.
Is this a store that we think she would shop at?
Should we approve it?
There's so many funny jokes I I feel like in TV shows they make fun of that a lot.
It's like the person gets.
It's very healthy or nice and they're like, uhm, is this this you?
You know if the person is like trying to change their lifestyle?
There's always out or there's all these outrageous purchases.
I think in Parks and Recreation, I forget, do you watch that?
No, and you ask me this like every other month and answer
Well, it's a great show.
Is always no.
Oh, I don't know.
The the credit card company calls because they think someone has their card, 'cause it's all these ridiculous purchases and they just start listing it.
But it's on speakerphone and everyone can hear all the ridiculous purchases that she's made and then eventually she's just like, Oh yeah, somebody definitely stole it.
Just cancel all of it.
Just because it's so embarrassing anyway.
Those are great and honestly I think about getting hacked all the time.
Is that just me?
I'm constantly afraid and I take all these precautions and I'm like despite all of that, it's going to be me.
I'm going to be attacked like what haven't I covered.
So it's not just me you're you're shaking your head trying to think.
And yeah, I definitely like.
I mean me in general like I play out a lot of situations in my head all the time.
Like I pre plot.
how other situations are going to go but uhm.
No, I definitely also always have that feeling where I'm like, huh?
I know I did the right thing, but somehow I feel like it's still not going to turn out the way I want it to.
So yeah, I definitely relate.
There's still always a chance you know you.
You try to minimize the risk of.
Getting attacked and you can really greatly, but there's always that small chance and I think I was even more worried about it when I worked in cyber security.
Because how embarrassing. I was
Just like how embarrassing would that be?
You know, I don't know.
Does your company have those automated?
I'm sure they do the phishing.
Links they send you phishing emails.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's called a phishing campaign and basically the company is.
Sending you fake phishing emails that look real, but.
You can clearly if you read through it, tell that it's like supposedly phishing and you have to report it.
And and if you click on the link, it's like.
This was a fake phishing, but you've been phished.
You know, kind of scares you like if this was a real.
If this was a real phishing email, you would have fallen for it, and sometimes you're just like scrolling and you accidentally click without even looking and.
It happens to everyone, but I do.
I always feel like, oh, with that would always be embarrassing.
I would be the one person to get to get hacked even with everything.
But I mean I think also when you do software when you do coding anything tech related.
I think it does increase your chance.
Would you say of,
Getting hacked? because you have to download a lot of random software.
If you're using your personal computer like I am.
Yeah, definitely you know.
Especially, you know tech is evolving so quickly nowadays there's always a new library to do something and you know, like a lot of people in tech.
We're all really into, you know, getting into the latest and greatest things and a lot of times there's bugs in the latest and greatest things.
Because of the keyword latest.
Having more access in, being closer to potentially vulnerable tech puts you at risk.
All right, let's bring it back now and we're going to get into our next segment, which we titled Mythbuster and Hard truths because we couldn't decide between doing a Mythbusters segment or hard truths, which in our case are essentially the same.
So April can you get us started?
Yeah, so one hard truth that I have is that since since the beginning of covid the FBI has reported a 300% increase in reported cyber crimes and that is a dramatic leap compared to years before.
300% more of anything is incredible, but also very scary because now so many of us are online.
And so many of us don't, you know, practice basic cyber safety so so much of our data and our personal information is at risk now and that's why it's even more important to follow some of the tips we gave in this video and to do your own research on.
300% though that is crazy. That is so high. I do remember the beginning of COVID seeing that there was an increase of cyber attacks, which surprised me at first, but it it does, it makes sense that there's more like you said, more people are vulnerable and and so this includes all cyber crime?
Personal, business, organizations?
Yeah, I think it's just a general, you know 300% increase in reported cyber crimes, but I would not be surprised if the majority of that 300% increase are individuals.
Yeah, I'm curious now.
'cause I do think too.
It's been very difficult for a lot of companies to get.
To start having everybody work virtually, most companies were not entirely virtual, so that does seem.
Like being able to do it at all is hard, and then let alone being able to do it securely.
That's just a whole another layer. So yeah, when you think about it like that, the 300% does not surprise me, but it's still insane amount. Yeah it is. It's really something to keep an eye out on and just.
Remember to keep protecting yourself.
So that's my first hard truth, Emily, do you have a myth or a hard truth for us?
So I didn't do any hard truths.
I do have a myth I would like to bust.
So the myth I want to bust is that you need passwords to have lots of complicated random characters.
We are going to compare a short password of random characters, specifically 8 random characters with the passphrase containing multiple words, specifically four words and show that the passphrase is more secure.
To determine which is more secure, we'll look at how many tries it would take a hacker to guess the password by brute force.
That is to try all the possibilities and we'll show that there are more possibilities to try for the passphrase than the short password.
So it's much better to use a passphrase which could be 4 words, four random words like I'm looking at this word generator and four words are cancelled, neutral, exiled, domination.
Oh, that's weird.
OK, let's try again.
World aisle intense franchise.
OK world aisle intense franchise, so that is much more secure.
Then using a bunch of random numbers and characters, even using 8 numbers and characters, for example, J $ 6F H, 2 G.
That seems like it's more secure, but the passphrase is actually much more secure.
And every time I I make this point, I I get pushback from people.
They just think that no, like using the random characters is more secure, whereas passphrases is actually more secure and easier to remember.
So I wanted to actually do out the math April.
Do you mind if I do out the math?
No Emily, I love when you get your math on so enlighten us.
Get the math on!
Awesome, alright, so I'm going to do the math out.
So we're going to look at how many possibilities there are for a different password of a different passphrase of different lengths.
So first for the password, we're going to think about, you're doing some really truly random truly in quotes.
Password of different letters, numbers. So there's 10 digits. 26 lowercase, 26 uppercase, and 33 special characters. So assuming you can make a password, that's random.
And uses any of those characters that comes to 95 characters.
So 95 to the 8th power.
Is on the order of magnitude of 10 to the 15th.
That means there's 10 to the 15th possibilities.
So if a hacker wanted to brute force it, they'd have to try 10 to the 15th.
Now let's instead think about using 4 words, and so there's a lot of different ways that you could actually measure how many possibilities there are.
So this is where it gets a little bit tricky. So you could say, well there's 170,000 English words.
A lot of those words people don't use. I looked into it. It seems like 20 to 35,000 words is how many words people know.
So let's choose the low end of that and assume 20,000.
So there's 20,000 words, so 20,000 to the 4th power means on the order of magnitude of 10 to the 17th. So that means there's more possibilities of using four random words then.
Using eight random characters.
And also it's just easier to remember what do you think, April?
So it definitely, definitely.
It's definitely interesting seeing how the math plays out so.
You, like you were saying, even if you, you know, had a completely truly quote unquote, truly random, you know.
Password generator and you took the maximum amount of digits.
The maximum you know upper or lower case letters.
The maximum amount of special characters.
And you know you get to a certain number and your order of magnitude is 10 to the 15 and just by the nature of the human language, there is more words than there are combinations of the random characters.
Now, what's really important to keep in mind is that the most secure passwords are the long passwords of random characters, meaning 20 plus random characters.
However, this is not something that most people can remember, especially when you have multiple passwords.
So if you're using a password manager.
Then yes, use long passwords of 20 plus random characters.
So then why did we do all this math?
That's because there will be some passwords that you have to remember that you can't keep in a password manager.
For example, you need a master password for your password manager, and you want this to be super secure and something that you will never forget, so.
I would recommend an obscure phrase or lyric of 6 words even.
Also, you may need a password to log into your personal laptop or a different one for your school or work laptop and other accounts that it's maybe not convenient to check with your password manager every time because you can't directly copy and paste, so therefore it's very important to know how to make.
A strong password you'll remember, which is a passphrase.
I hope everyone listened through.
So anyway, I get this all the time, even from you know tech professionals.
They ask me, they question that you should be really using passphrases, but the math speaks.
So anyway, so that is my myth that I wanted to bust.
Yeah, that was really interesting.
I really felt like I learned more about you, know the math and the data behind why you should use passphrases.
I knew they they were telling us to use them, but it was just kind of like it's better, but why?
Show me the numbers.
Listen and so.
My last uhm.
My last topic is I guess it's a myth, but it's also a hard truth, kind of.
At the same time, and it's, uh, you know that myth that you know I'm safe as long as I only visit legitimate websites, you know that means.
The websites that have you know up-to-date certificates and you know they're verified and reputable.
That's a myth, because the hard truth is that they collect your data, and even if it's a secure, legitimate website, if you created an account with them and you have your credit card information with them.
A legitimate website can get hacked and your data.
Can can be taken and you'll become compromised even if it's one of you know, even if it's a site that has up-to-date security.
So it's just a reminder to keep always keep your wits about you when it comes to cyber safety.
Don't think you're safe just because you're on a common and popular website.
So true, and this is also something Abdel mentioned in the dev spec OPS episode is that websites will have ads and the ads aren't necessarily run by that company, so you can click on that ad.
It might not be secure, so just another reason.
That that's definitely true.
If you visit a legitimate website, you're not necessarily safe.
There's also more tips too for security on that episode, so definitely go back and watch it.
It was our third episode ever, very fun episode.
Our first guest Abdel Sy Fane talked a lot about cyber security and gave us some.
Tips, that's actually why we decided to do this episode.
We were all going to give our cyber security tips not just Abdel, but all three of us and then it ended up taking so much time that we were like, OK, you know what, we'll just save this.
For a separate episode and give our tips then.
All right, so we're almost at the end.
We're going to share a few more resources for cyber safety, but first, let's recap what we went over.
So we talked about our different tips, so my 3 tips were to have a backup strategy.
So always backup your data to visit HTTPS websites, not HTTP where the S stands for secure and to use two factor authentication in any accounts.
That you would be really devastated if they got hacked.
And then April talked about how you should use a password manager.
Sign up for identity theft protection if your credit card offers it, and use a VPN to protect your personal data.
And then we also talked about major cyber safety news.
We discussed how Instagram has launched a security checkup so users are more easily able to recover their hacked.
Routes we talked about the 1,000,000 stolen credit cards that were leaked on the dark web. We talked about the advancement of ransomware attacks in enterprises.
And then we went into a little bit of a true and false myth, Buster.
This area and we learned that cyber attacks have increased 300% since COVID and they won't. They're most likely not going to go down as more people continue to work from home and choose to work from home.
And Emily, you know finally got her day and was able to prove why.
For you know, four word passphrases are more secure than quote unquote, truly random.
And then I also gave you the tip to just always be aware that even if you're on a legitimate website with, you know, up-to-date certs, that doesn't mean that your information isn't at risk.
And to now just give some resources if you want to find out if your email has been leaked, you can go to haveibeenpwned, that's have I been and then PWN Ed. haveibeenpwned.com and find that out.
You can find some resources on cybersafety from.
Yeah, that's that's good to know for the future.
Thanks Emily, Uhm yeah I had.
I had a lot of fun today.
You know there could always be another episode on Cybersafety.
This is such a large topic.
Yeah, this was really great.
I love talking about this topic.
It really feels it makes me feel like I'm still in the security world.
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